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health risk Rhythm Player |
#1 by health risk at Jan 23, 1976 at 9:13 AM EST |
| wait, the drums on this song aren't even good. zwan's drums are totally old school, which i guess some people like, but if you want to hear good drums, listen to Tool. | |
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james Average |
#2 by james at Feb 8, 1976 at 4:44 PM EST |
| Actually, the correct lyric is "follow THEE"...it's taken from an old gospel hymn...Billy just made a new version. I find the numerous references to God on this CD really interesting...and I would love to talk to Billy about it, if I ever had the chance. | |
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Dean Rhythm Player |
#3 by Dean M at Jun 9, 1977 at 6:01 AM EST |
| billy is christian. why can't you fans just accept that? or maybe catholic, i dont know. really. i mean so what if hes christian... his being christian and his choices shouldnot affect you or your musical taste, well maybe- if youre anal like that | |
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chris Average |
#4 by chris at Nov 22, 1978 at 7:52 PM EST |
| oh wait, i forgot that bands aren't supposed to sing about what they believe in, or are they? see, drummerchick, not only should you not be allowed to speak, but dumbasses like you shouldn't even be allowed to think. i listen to good music regarless of what "religion" it's makers are, because that's what it's all about. | |
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Jason Rhythm Player |
#5 by Jason ...... at Jan 18, 1979 at 9:29 AM EST |
| Jesus I / Mary Star Of The Sea jesus, i've taken my cross all to leave and follow thee jesus, i've taken my cross all to leave and follow thee i'm destitute, despised, forsaken all to leave and follow thee and follow thee man may trouble to distress me to drive my heart to the cross yeah, man may trouble to distress me to drive this heart to the cross i'm resolute, reviled, forsaken all to leave and follow thee and follow thee jesus jesus jesus reborn reborn reborn reborn so perish every fond ambition god and trouble are all i've known yet how rich is my condition god and heaven are all my own god and heaven are all my own rooms full of salt fault my pluck and a poets charm so far, ever far little stars that burn the holes in my soul and everything just feels like rain the road we're on, the things we crave and everything just feels like rain the nights i sleep, what's left to dream when everything feels like rain drift as i dive find the deep out of reach of all light stars, ever far listless tides along the changing shore and everything just feels like rain the road we're on, the things we crave and everything just feels like rain if i should sleep, what's left to dream when everything feels like rain | |
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Matt Wanna Be |
#6 by Matt Sakrosky at Feb 22, 1985 at 4:30 PM EST |
| I think that Billy's sympathizing with Jesus. Saying that they were both crucified unjustly. And now Billy's come back to life again. Just my 2’. | |
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Garland Rhythm Player |
#7 by Garland Cross at Jul 7, 1986 at 6:57 AM EST |
| actually, seeing as i've gone to Christian school all of my life except my senior year, i should know that the "new age" God cherub rock mentions is virtually the same as the God in the Bible. you can call one Allah and one Buddah or whatever you want, but the fact is they're the same thing(it's where that whole omnipotence/omnipresence thing applies). sure, a lot of morons make God out to be a white bearded guy up in the clouds, which is why a lot of people don't believe in or understand the concept of God. which is why you hear idiots saying things like, "If there's a God, then where is he?", or "If there's a God, then why doesn't he do something about the way the world is?". anyways, *shuts up about God*, the mention of following Jesus is about not following rules, but following love, love for whatever you believe in. and thanks for the authentic lyrics, cherub rock(best pumpkins song), and to whoever originally posted those lyrics, IF YOU CANNOT HEAR, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT POST SONG LYRICS!!! honestly. | |
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Joe Average |
#8 by Joe Blurton at Jan 22, 1988 at 11:20 AM EST |
| If you read some of Billy Corgan's diary entries on his site you'll see that he's not a Catholic. He believes in God, but as a more New Age sort of concept from what I can gather, rather than the God of the Bible. This from his site: "when the zwan record came out, i was questioned many times about my religious beliefs because of the inclusion of the song "jesus"...the basic question went something like this "are you a spiritual person" or "have you discovered God" or my favorite, "are you born again"? ...I did not feel that a cd release on a major label that i was out there trying to hawk with a bunch of immoral bandmates ... was a place to talk about the deepest of issues" | |
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aleXeXeX Rhythm Player |
#9 by aleXeXeX at Jun 21, 1988 at 5:00 PM EST |
| If you read some of Billy Corgan's diary entries on his site you'll see that he's not a Catholic. He believes in God, but as a more New Age sort of concept from what I can gather, rather than the God of the Bible. This from his site: "when the zwan record came out, i was questioned many times about my religious beliefs because of the inclusion of the song "jesus"...the basic question went something like this "are you a spiritual person" or "have you discovered God" or my favorite, "are you born again"? ...I did not feel that a cd release on a major label that i was out there trying to hawk with a bunch of immoral bandmates ... was a place to talk about the deepest of issues" | |
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Kyle Rhythm Player |
#10 by Kyle Wait I Aint Telling You at Apr 9, 1990 at 5:31 AM EST |
| Yes, I believe it's also "God and heaven are all my own" if I'm correct. | |
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Erik Lead Player |
#11 by Erik StJimmy at Aug 25, 1994 at 7:22 AM EST |
| I think jimmy does a great job on Jesus, I/Mary Star of the Sea. He plays thru the whole song without any pauses. | |
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cody Rhythm Player |
#12 by cody watts at Jun 20, 1995 at 4:13 PM EST |
| that guy is awesome | |
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Austin Wanna Be |
#13 by Austin Skitowski at Sep 28, 1996 at 12:24 AM EST |
| I agree with TREXOR and thedungbeetle...this song is about Christianity, peace, and joy. But take a look at the Smashing Pumpkins lyrics, and you'll find many similar topics. Billy has always written about God and Jesus, however, he is now writing from a different perspective. With the Pumpkins, he was pleading with God to deliver him from loneliness/help him find his way back from the darkness, etc. Now, he is writing (singing, actually, since he didn't write the lyrics to the Jesus I part of the song) about the peace he is finding in God, Jesus, and his religion. Is he Catholic? Who cares? Being Catholic myself, I can tell everyone that Catholicism is just a strict and traditional way of embracing God. It is not much different from any Protestant branch of Christianity--we all believe in the same basic catechism. But if the title you put on Billy's religion matters to you, I think even Billy wouldn't want you listening to his music. | |
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Ĵǿ Wanna Be |
#14 by Ĵǿħŋ Ĝęřđěŋĭţ at Nov 22, 1996 at 11:56 AM EST |
| Ah, the sign of a "true" fan...appriciates the musician no matter what they do...oh wait, that's not what drummerchick's doing...my mistake.... | |
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§ean Average |
#15 by §ean at Aug 2, 1997 at 7:09 AM EST |
| I agree with TREXOR and thedungbeetle...this song is about Christianity, peace, and joy. But take a look at the Smashing Pumpkins lyrics, and you'll find many similar topics. Billy has always written about God and Jesus, however, he is now writing from a different perspective. With the Pumpkins, he was pleading with God to deliver him from loneliness/help him find his way back from the darkness, etc. Now, he is writing (singing, actually, since he didn't write the lyrics to the Jesus I part of the song) about the peace he is finding in God, Jesus, and his religion. Is he Catholic? Who cares? Being Catholic myself, I can tell everyone that Catholicism is just a strict and traditional way of embracing God. It is not much different from any Protestant branch of Christianity--we all believe in the same basic catechism. But if the title you put on Billy's religion matters to you, I think even Billy wouldn't want you listening to his music. | |
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§ean Average |
#16 by §ean at Feb 19, 1999 at 6:01 PM EST |
| Billy didn't actually write this song. some parts were taken from a lou reed song and someone else by the name "lyte". Remember, Zwan is not all controlled by Billy, and thats what he likes as opposed the pumpkins where he had almost all creative controll. I think of this song as more of a revolution within yourself, than conforming to a certain religion. | |
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Dudey Average |
#17 by Dudey at Mar 9, 1999 at 7:05 PM EST |
| lamby has an interesting point not sure whether it's right but something to think about. the person who posted this song got lots of the lyrics wrong. It's an obscure old hymn in an antique religious book that Billy bought. The song is awesome - 14 minutes of prog-rock perfection. JxPx i agree with you. I doubt Billy Corgan is a Christian, but if youre that anti-Christian that youd stop listening if he did, youve got problems | |
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Justin Average |
#18 by Justin Ruiz at Jun 2, 1999 at 7:23 AM EST |
| thats really good interpretation i thought he converted to being christian or something like that and i was freaked out... anyway the music is amazing an jimmy drums are just great!!!! ilovejimmy chamberlin!!!!!! | |
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Mauro Wanna Be |
#19 by Mauro Leon at May 26, 2000 at 4:54 AM EST |
| I think that Billy's sympathizing with Jesus. Saying that they were both crucified unjustly. And now Billy's come back to life again. Just my 2’. | |
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Kevin Average |
#20 by Kevin Fournier at Nov 13, 2000 at 9:43 PM EST |
| actually, seeing as i've gone to Christian school all of my life except my senior year, i should know that the "new age" God cherub rock mentions is virtually the same as the God in the Bible. you can call one Allah and one Buddah or whatever you want, but the fact is they're the same thing(it's where that whole omnipotence/omnipresence thing applies). sure, a lot of morons make God out to be a white bearded guy up in the clouds, which is why a lot of people don't believe in or understand the concept of God. which is why you hear idiots saying things like, "If there's a God, then where is he?", or "If there's a God, then why doesn't he do something about the way the world is?". anyways, *shuts up about God*, the mention of following Jesus is about not following rules, but following love, love for whatever you believe in. and thanks for the authentic lyrics, cherub rock(best pumpkins song), and to whoever originally posted those lyrics, IF YOU CANNOT HEAR, THEN YOU SHOULD NOT POST SONG LYRICS!!! honestly. | |
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DemolitionLover Wanna Be |
#21 by DemolitionLover ^^v^^ at Apr 4, 2001 at 4:47 PM EST |
| Billy didn't actually write this song. some parts were taken from a lou reed song and someone else by the name "lyte". Remember, Zwan is not all controlled by Billy, and thats what he likes as opposed the pumpkins where he had almost all creative controll. I think of this song as more of a revolution within yourself, than conforming to a certain religion. | |
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ALEX Lead Player |
#22 by ALEX FOWLER at Jul 16, 2001 at 3:36 PM EST |
| wait, the drums on this song aren't even good. zwan's drums are totally old school, which i guess some people like, but if you want to hear good drums, listen to Tool. | |
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The Real Slim S Average |
#23 by The Real Slim Shady at Aug 30, 2001 at 11:39 AM EST |
| Not to sound like a pompus asshole, which I probably will end up sounding like anyway, but the January 30th post on www.billycorgan.com hints that Billy Corgan possibly follows the teachings of the catholic faith. | |
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Justin Wanna Be |
#24 by Justin Neafsey at Sep 13, 2001 at 7:56 PM EST |
| I've only heard a live version of this song and i loved it. Guess there are only LIVE versions of it right now. Either way, after reading the lyrics...to me it sounds like Billy's ready to give up Jesus, and perhaps all organized religion to follow himself...his beliefs...what he believes in. Makes sense. You can have faith...maybe you shouldn't put it in an organization like the Church. Keep the faith...in yourself. | |
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IM A MAN WHO C Rhythm Player |
#25 by IM A MAN WHO CHANGED INTO A BEAST at Dec 18, 2002 at 8:49 PM EST |
| what the heck....... these lyrics SUCK! whoever posted these, you suck..... great job on accuracy. trying to tweak it to your own beat.......... its about jesus you dirtbag. | |
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bec Average |
#26 by bec madden at Sep 6, 2004 at 1:29 PM EST |
| yeah i just don't like billy no more this album seems too christian... this song is great because of the great drums of jimmy chamberlin and musically is pretty good. but th lyrics are bullcrap | |
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patrick Wanna Be |
#27 by patrick at May 21, 2007 at 4:39 AM EST |
| Yes, I believe it's also "God and heaven are all my own" if I'm correct. | |
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Hudson Lead Player |
#28 by Hudson Ryan at Jul 2, 2007 at 12:04 PM EST |
| Not to sound like a pompus asshole, which I probably will end up sounding like anyway, but the January 30th post on www.billycorgan.com hints that Billy Corgan possibly follows the teachings of the catholic faith. | |
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jo_silverhawk Average |
#29 by jo_silverhawk at Jul 18, 2007 at 11:11 PM EST |
| I've only heard a live version of this song and i loved it. Guess there are only LIVE versions of it right now. Either way, after reading the lyrics...to me it sounds like Billy's ready to give up Jesus, and perhaps all organized religion to follow himself...his beliefs...what he believes in. Makes sense. You can have faith...maybe you shouldn't put it in an organization like the Church. Keep the faith...in yourself. | |
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